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Asked and Answered—Isaiah Gross

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If you’ve ever tuned into one of our monthly webcasts, then you’ve seen Isaiah Gross, the man in the “Asked and Answered” hot seat today. Isaiah is one of the stars of the new intro that opens our studio71 webcasts. During production of the video (which we filmed during the National Session in Boulder last summer), he was so thoughtful and charming that we suspected he’d make for an interesting interview on the blog. Isaiah practices general civil and criminal litigation at Pence and MacMillan in Laramie, Wyoming, where, as you’ll discover, he came into the law field by taking the road less traveled. We’re grateful NITA HQ was a stop along his way.

What kind of work do you do at Pence and MacMillan?
I practice general civil and criminal litigation.

How did you first hear about the trial skills trainings we do at NITA?
My boss attended NITA as a young attorney and said it was a game changer for him. He told me if I want to be a trial lawyer, I need to do it right, and NITA is the best resource.

What bad habits did you have that your training at the National Session helped you break?
My verbal ticks were terrible. Turns out I used to say “ok” after every answer given on direct exam. It was pretty embarrassing when I watched the videos. I also used a pen in my hand as a crutch whenever I was on my feet in court.

What’s your favorite thing about the work you do?
The clients and the attorneys I get to work with. This job is hard and you need clients you enjoy, and you need partners to rally around you when you need help.

You held a number of interesting jobs as a young adult before you went to law school. Can you share a bit about them?
I am a lucky guy. I have always had great jobs, and I think they all prepared me to be a lawyer.

In my early 20’s, I worked my way through college as a wildland firefighter working for the Black Hills National Forest and the Wyoming Hotshots. The Forest Service paid me to ride in helicopters, wield a chainsaw, and hike our National Forests. I was a pretty good gig, and it taught me the value of a hard day’s work. As it turns out, that is applicable to being a good lawyer.

After college, I chased a girl to Jackson Hole, Wyoming, and became a whitewater raft guide. I caught the girl in Jackson, but then quickly released her back into the wild to roam free. Girl or no girl, I found a home in Jackson for the next six years. In the summers, I would guide five whitewater trips a day, five days a week. Each trip I had between eight and sixteen new passengers on my raft, and I would provide a safety speak, get to know the people, and hopefully build rapport with them by the end of the trip. Now, when I look at a jury pool, I just imagine they are passengers on my raft. I focus on helping them through the uncomfortable and sometimes confusing trial process, just like I would with clients on the river.

During my time in Jackson Hole, I also worked as a social worker. I worked with adjudicated teenage boys at a wilderness therapy program. I led the boys on ten- to thirty-five-day backpacking and backcountry skiing trips across the Tetons. Our boys were often products of poverty, abuse, and neglect. They taught me the value of empathy and patience. The boys taught me that life is hard, and being kind to those who may have never experience true kindness can very powerful. I try to carry those lessons with me in my practice.

What would you do with a million dollars?
Pay off my student loans, buy a cabin in an undisclosed location, and send my parents to Hawaii.

What movie can you watch over and over without ever getting tired of?
The Big Lebowski. “The Dude abides.”

If you could have dinner with any four famous people, living or deceased, whom would you choose?
The Highwaymen.

What song makes you nostalgic?
“Piano Man” by Billy Joel. I have no idea why. I don’t play the piano.

What bores you?
Watching regular season baseball on television. Who has time to watch that?

Where’s your happy place?
My happy place is on a river with my dog, some good friends, and a fly rod.

Lightening round questions. Coffee or tea?
Coffee. It’s the lifeblood that has fueled every great American.

iPhone or Android?
iPhone.

Sunrise or sunset?
Sunrise. I gotta earn those.

Popcorn or candy?
Popcorn.

Spring or autumn?
Autumn. Spring is referred to as “mud season” in Wyoming.

And finally, what is your motto?
“Leave it better than when you found it.”

If you haven’t checked out any of our free webcasts yet, why not check out our tips and tricks on hearsay next week or direct examination in June, or peruse the topics in our archives? While you’re at it, you can find more of our Asked and Answered interviews with NITA personalities here on The Legal Advocate.

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